Bridging the Gap: Parenting in the Age of Online Gaming

Ever wondered how to effectively foster digital literacy and gaming etiquette in your children? We, at Daily Dad, have got you covered! We're sharing our unique approach which leans on empowering kids to protect themselves online by using tools like mute, block, or hide chat options, rather than pulling away from the digital world completely. We believe in instilling constructive criticism and empathy as key values when they engage with others online. 

But preparing our kids for the digital frontier is just one piece of the parenting puzzle. We take a deep dive into the role and significance of communication in building and nurturing relationships with our children. By being present, engaging and mindful of our children's social circles, we can guide them to navigate life's tricky tides. We dissect the harsh realities of the world and how we can arm our children against unscrupulous individuals, while also guiding them through the complexities of friendships. 

Finally, reflecting on our own past and personal experiences, we offer insights into how these influences shape our parenting style and our children's personal growth. We underline the need for providing our children with the educational guidance and support we may have lacked ourselves. We also grapple with the challenge of maintaining our personal identity while juggling the demands of parenthood. We argue that setting boundaries and expectations can significantly influence a child's choices and life path. Join us in this enlightening journey as we navigate the joys and challenges of parenthood in the digital age.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to Dad Mode, a podcast that is to try and force a gaming streaming and dad life with him. Welcome back. This is part two with the Daily Dad. Hope you enjoy.

Speaker 2: 0:11

So I'm gonna, if it's already appeared, I'm gonna change the gears just a little bit, because this Christmas has been bugging going through my mind a little bit. Um, so it game. You said one of your daughters is into gaming, the other not so much. Now we both know that gaming can be very toxic. I have boys. I'm assuming I'm not worrying about the same things you are, or having to teach my boys the same things that you're teaching your daughters about gaming, other than me telling my boys don't be a dicks, be respectful to people. How are you approaching that with your daughter, because you know as much as I do what it's like out there for girls when they game.

Speaker 3: 0:52

Yes, so, uh and it's funny you actually mentioned that because I do this the same way with both of our daughters because, as I was telling you earlier, the youngest one is a savage. That's savage for the people that don't speak French out there Um, she's a monster on the lacrosse field, like, but she also is, uh, in a negative way, a monster to her teammates, um, and that can be just as toxic as the person that you play with or that talks. You know all kinds of once all the smoke while you're playing a video game. And our youngest daughter, she just goes straight to the mute button. I mean, she takes literally zero effort from anyone on the internet and just, she's just like boop, mute, boop, no more chat from this one, she'll just go on down. You never seen people like they show people on the internet where they go to say something and the person literally knows like the exact button combination yeah, go straight to the screen to mute somebody. That's her. She is like that fast with it, uh, while the youngest, once all the smoke.

Speaker 3: 1:52

Uh, I have to actually like, corral her and be and explain to her like the mentality that you're putting off right now is real bad, juju, like what you're doing is going to, um, not look good for you, not look good for your teammates. And let me tell you right now you can be the best player that that coach is going to have to make a decision and probably bench you and she's like what she's like, but, but I'm really good, I'm like, yeah, I, I, I know, Like we all know, like we know you're really good, but you can't act like that. Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 1: 2:25

And it's just like that.

Speaker 3: 2:27

Yeah, and you can't act like that on the internet either. You get muted and then you know you end up doing so many times and you think you're so funny and so cute that now you have no one to talk to, you don't? You haven't made any friends playing video games. You don't have a squad, you don't have a, it's just you sitting there with your controller.

Speaker 3: 2:45

Yep, and it's just as lonely as being in the apartment by yourself, as it is, if you know you don't have anyone to game with. So we, we try to impress upon them like constructive criticism. Be like hey, you know our to our youngest. Like you don't catch every pass either. You don't make every goal that you shoot.

Speaker 2: 3:07

You know it's it's just the same way. No one's perfect, no.

Speaker 3: 3:12

And and you know, and what we tell our oldest one, we're like Listen, you see anything you don't like. The greatest part is it's only a button click or a few clicks away to not being able to deal with that. And I think a lot of parents it sounds stupid, but I don't think a lot of parents explain that to kids Like if you come into this situation you can still enjoy the game. And if someone tries to come in and ruin it with chat or try and ruin it with, you know verbal abuse, listen, the game every. There's not been one game that I cannot think of that has ever been developed, that has not had a mute, a like a cancel in chat.

Speaker 3: 3:55

Yeah, I just, it's easy. But like, if you, it's like this, if you don't, you can have a bunch of tools in the toolbox, and this is what I. We say this in the fire department and I one day said this because I couldn't hold it anymore. So it's like oh, that's another tool for the toolbox. I hate that phrase and I go well, it's not that great of a toolbox if it's full of shitty tools and everyone got real quiet. And that's where the old, that's where, that's where younger dad came out one day. Hey, and everyone got real quiet. It was like, oh damn, but it's true. Yeah, if you don't give your kids the necessary tools to continue on through life, you're just setting them up for a rocky road Five, ten, whatever years when they can't deal or haven't been given the proper opportunity to practice when they were younger, when they could manage it.

Speaker 1: 4:46

We talked about it a few episodes ago, like online safety and kids and that the internet's cruel, it's, it's, it's it you can't stop it. It's gonna happen, they're gonna come across it. You just got to show them. You know that's how you block someone, that's how you mute someone, that's how you hide the chat, because all those tools there.

Speaker 1: 5:04

That's the tools you need to give them. You don't need to give them the tools that the internet's, this beautiful place and the rest of it don't take. The kids don't need to remove themselves from the situation. They can remove that person from the situation.

Speaker 2: 5:15

Yep and it's just showing how to do it.

Speaker 1: 5:17

It's. It's you can way better to do it online than you can in real life. You know real off, you gotta walk. Yeah, it's basically real life is walk away and they can follow you.

Speaker 2: 5:27

I Agree. I feel and I think we mentioned this before it's much better to show them some of the ugliness of life and how to deal with it, Then just completely shelter them from it. So when they get out from under your wing, they're like oh shit, what is this?

Speaker 3: 5:45

Yes, there was a guy that I worked with before I had children, before I met my ex-wife and Definitely before I met my wife. Now he told me and he had kids and he gave me one of the best piece of advice and For those of you that are listening and hear this on this podcast, please take this away. You know, if you have kids now and they're still young and you can still adopt this theology, if you don't have kids, you can adopt it immediately. Talk to your kids like their adults. Do not talk to them like their babies. Okay, if you talk to your children like their babies and you I mean obviously when they're baby babies you can do the oh, I got like peek-a-boo.

Speaker 3: 6:21

That's not talking like that. We're talking as they become Toddlers. Talk to them like they're real people. If you talk to them like their babies, it's and it progresses through. You are doing nothing and I and I will. I will literally die on this hill with this flag in my End. You are doing nothing but an injustice and a disservice to your children.

Speaker 2: 6:44

I agree. I would have said I agree, my wife and I have have adopted that since. You know our kids were born. You know it was tough, because you know, six weeks old, I'm like what do you want for dinner? It's like god. I'm like I don't know what that is. You get nothing. Um. But they did grow into understanding, talk and now, now they can articulate their needs.

Speaker 3: 7:08

Now they get cheerios. Yeah, you want that. Oh no, gets go, go, go trash.

Speaker 2: 7:19

No, but it is. It's great advice. It's great, it a great advice, and it always frustrates me when I see other parents not talking to their children Um age appropriate. You know what I mean, um, and you know it helps them understand the world better. It helps them understand vocabulary better. It helps them understand a lot of things and to to view things from a more mature standpoint. Early which helps.

Speaker 3: 7:45

Yeah, and it allows you to be able to hold a conversation. You know, it allows you to develop that conversational ability at a younger age. And it's not that you're, it's like, you know, I I've I've seen plenty of things where you know people, you know kind of poo poo on this idea. You're taking away their younger years, or either, no, you're not, you're not doing any of that. Your kid is still going to be a kid. There's nothing that's going to take away from that. But what that's going to do is is that is going to build the foundation for the rest of your communication with your child, for the rest of your days. And if you don't have a strong foundation with that child, you didn't spend that time Having conversations with them when you're younger. I am going to tell you right now it is going to literally blow back in your face and I I am sorry for you already.

Speaker 2: 8:36

Yeah, yeah absolutely, um, anyone who's out there thinking think about your when you were growing up, the relationship that you had with your parents. Were they around, were they not around? That I take time to talk to, did they not? And what's your relationship with them like today? Um, and that could hopefully give you a little insight into things you should or shouldn't do with your own kids, understanding that everybody's, uh, a little bit different and they're processing differently, but the the point is, the more you're around, the more that you're engaged, the more that you try to connect with your kids, the stronger your relationship is going to be forever and you and it helps teach them how a real person is Like and they won't get bit by some fake person out there where they're trying to get you know, showing where you had just mentioned a few minutes ago about showing them a little bit of the ugly world.

Speaker 3: 9:30

They're going to come across that fake friend that uses them. They're going to come across someone that tries to take advantage of them. Um, and if you have built that foundation, I'm telling you right now that child is going to snuff that out immediately and be like ah, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've seen, I know this. This is not a real, this is not a real conversation. This person is using me. I'm not about it.

Speaker 1: 9:52

All right, we did that with uh middle child. She's Uh finishing up primary school because we only have primary and high school, so she's fitting out primary school this year, going to the high school. All her friends were going to go to a particular high school so we registered get all that in as a private school. We were only going to that school just to keep the friendship together. Um, turns out Probably half the kids didn't actually get into the school, make it through, like parents didn't put all the paperwork in time. So we were left with a choice which friends do you want to be with? And she was adamant to stay where she was, in the school with his friends. And I looked at those friends and they're not the friends that.

Speaker 2: 10:32

I like.

Speaker 1: 10:33

I like that. They're not the friends that I like for her. Those friends that they were going to that school, they very shut down. She was our school for a little bit. They were quick to move on to another, another friend circle, like to replace them, whereas the two girls that she has actually actively comes over and one of them I pretty much could say is a six child in our household she that's who she wants, that's who she should be with. So I pushed on that more and more. Like you know, going into high school, kids can get meaner and meaner. It's a different thing. Have a look at your friends. She got around you. Which one's going to have you back If you put these two girls side by side? Which girl is going to be there for you when you need it? I said because I already know which friend is actually going to. Someone was to say bad things about you, which friend was going to stick up for you and which friend was probably going to agree and just ignore you?

Speaker 3: 11:24

And that's going to be the rest of your life. That's the hard reality. Like that's the thing that most parents or adults won't have conversations with kids about. Be like what you're dealing with right now sucks, like it is not lost upon me, but I'm telling you right now this will not be the last time this happens to you, and I wish I could not have this. I wish I could take this from you, but this is one of those lessons that you got to learn on your own, because now you know, you know what to look for on someone who's not genuine, and that's just that's part of life.

Speaker 2: 12:00

Yeah, it is, and it's. Teaching the kids like when they have little setbacks or disappointments is always interesting, because you, as an adult, have that perspective of your years and dealing with it. Yeah, crying over a little bit of something like it's in your head, You're like oh, just you wait.

Speaker 3: 12:20

It gets so much worse.

Speaker 2: 12:22

Yeah, so much worse.

Speaker 1: 12:23

Yes, Ironically enough, the two friends that she's sticking with, that are going to high school with her, actually got into the first physical fight at the schools ever had been. Ended up being in between two girls, not two boys, and it's because both girls are very, both girls are very strong headed and they're still friends. It was fine. I think they'll just have in a moment, but yeah, that's the friends you want, that's the same, that's the friends you want. If they find they're out there, they stick. They stick with you Because she's more me keeps into herself a little bit. So, having those two more vocal friends and I mean vocal because they will not, they won't take shit, they can both their parents have done a phenomenal job at teaching their two daughters how to see through your crap that people sees and they know when someone's talking about it or how it is, and they, they, they handle the situation so damn well, like it, yeah that's sensational, like I, like I remember when I it makes me think of, like what you said fight.

Speaker 3: 13:26

There are guys that like we've almost gone to blows, like in the middle of the bay at the firehouse back when there weren't cameras and there wasn't an HR department and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 13:35

And I remember guys breaking like. I remember one guy him and I were like literally the other into the base and we started walking towards each other. One guy grabbed him and the other guy grabbed me, and we're over there like it looks like something from like an MLB baseball where they're like yelling at each other and like the team is holding them back. You know all that and that guy still to this day I consider a friend and it's weird because I thought it was just dudes that got into these fights and it's like oh, whoa man, like actually I kind of like you, I kind of like this, kind of like I like me, I like your fire, I'm sick and I met my best friend the same way.

Speaker 1: 14:15

One of my best friends was exactly the same way. At high school we I think it may have been a girl or something that got in between and that was it. We were, we were on. It was that afternoon.

Speaker 1: 14:24

One of us was someone was going to be on the ground that day. And then the fourth period, groups of friends grabbed both him and I. Both got pulled out of our different classes and actually had to go down and sit in with a counselor the school counselor and talk about it to avoid it, because people knew it was going to be blood for it. Yeah, never had issues afterwards. It was great, you know what they say.

Speaker 2: 14:45

They say a bros before women, because we're respectful of that.

Speaker 3: 14:50

That's right, you know it, you know it.

Speaker 2: 14:55

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Speaker 3: 15:00

I don't remember much time. You want man, you just oh, you got more.

Speaker 2: 15:06

Could you want to ask bearded, I'm trying to see. I got two, I got one more. I could ask. No, I'm pretty happy, you guys, if you're careful what you go. Okay, um, did it, did it, did it, did it.

Speaker 1: 15:19

Obviously, that's easy all times I'm staying everything, so I'm good with this. Oh, it's all good, that's cool let's see, here did it last time that last last week he said middle, middle of the Halloween, you go, you can just edit this out. Oh yeah, cool.

Speaker 2: 15:38

So I don't, I haven't asked this question before. Okay, do you see ways that you can use, or do you use game like gaming as a tool to like teacher kids about how life or, or you know, kind of growing up?

Speaker 1: 15:53

like taking bits of pieces out of a video game. But any you, any, I guess, insights you've learned from a video game that you've taken away and then use that in life, I guess.

Speaker 2: 16:04

Thank you for asking that much better than I did.

Speaker 3: 16:06

Yeah, yeah, no, not really. I Can't think of any moments specifically to that extent. I.

Speaker 1: 16:16

I learned that if you don't feed your dog, they'll run away from video.

Speaker 3: 16:22

Yeah, yeah, I feel like what has really taught me in and I Even if my parents listen to this I Grew up Okay. I don't have any like major qualms or anything like that, but I learned from a lot of the parent I wanted to be from the parent that my parents weren't they Okay. So, to break that down, my parents developed me into a hyper Survival person, both mentally, heavily mentally. I was very much left to my own devices, although my parents supported me. Don't make don't let me make it sound like my parents didn't come to my games and stuff like that. They were there, but Conversationally non-existent, like it was. It was the stick, not the words. But it was also a different time then it was.

Speaker 3: 17:21

It was a different time and that was the way things were then and I don't hate it I don't but I learned on a way where we were talking earlier. You're either winning or you're learning, and I was learning all the time and I think and I think about that still to this day on I Don't talk to my siblings, I don't really talk to my parents too much Not as much as I should, and I think about that still this day.

Speaker 1: 17:49

It's your wife encouraged you to talk, don't I mind, mine does mine and tired mine encourages me more to how you need to talk to your mother, or something like that.

Speaker 3: 17:59

No, my wife is more like. I understand the way you are. Now she goes, it makes, it makes more sense, like after being around my parents first for a while. It's not anything negative and, like I said, I need to definitely preface this, it's not a negative thing, but she goes. I very much understand why you are the way you are and I'm very self-reliant, I'm very self-motivated. All my stuff comes from internal, like I'm very an internal person, my motivations, everything. I don't need someone to tell me I'm doing a good job, no.

Speaker 2: 18:33

And when someone tells me, I'm doing a job.

Speaker 3: 18:36

Yeah and when and I know it irritates people, because when they tell me, well, you know you did a really good job, I'm like, okay, I don't say I don't. The right response is thank you. I appreciate you saying that yada, yada, yada, but I didn't grow up that way. I think I didn't get outwards. You know, influence, it was work, work quietly, work silently, work in the darkness, and people will notice. And just Work when no one's watching.

Speaker 1: 19:03

That's okay, yeah, I was similar to you, like I'm the oldest of On my mother's side because my parents are split, so there's two on my father's side I talked to my brother there and then on my mother's side there's four underneath me and the youngest, like you're saying younger brother, my youngest brother. He's, I want to say, 15 years younger than me. So most of the time, besides the brother's, two years younger than me, I was a teenager when they were all born. I was, I was out, we lived in a rural town.

Speaker 1: 19:38

I grew up in the city but then by the time I was teenager, we moved out of town so I was catching the bus and not coming home on a Friday and they won't see me till Monday, right, because I was out with friends and the rest of it. The whole time I lived my life. You know I'm making that relationship with my brother now work. Like you know, he started me getting into games and stuff and you know he came, he drove, you know the hour over to my house the other week just to build a PC because he wanted to do that.

Speaker 2: 20:04

I'm like bring it over here, I'll do it, yeah, awesome.

Speaker 1: 20:06

And you know he's. He brought a VR quest and I'm like I've got a quest. Now. Let's play a game occasionally, like we do. We do that, but like even my youngest sister, she was a baby by the time I was. There's 20 years between us and I was living at the other side of the country by that time, so I did not see most of my siblings grow up through the period of this period, like I regret, because I was that independent. My parents were busy. My mom and my stepdad were busy with the children, so I was off doing my own thing.

Speaker 1: 20:40

I had my own independence. I didn't need that. The only thing I took away from my parents and how they parented me when it came to my own children was the educational side. My parents never checked in on what I was doing. My parents were all over me, mine didn't. I was free range to do what I want.

Speaker 1: 21:03

I know I left school, did carpentry yeah, nowadays I have a great job, but I've worked hard to do that. Could have been different if I put more effort in high school and I probably would have been different if someone had pushed on me a little bit more. Yeah, and then saying that I'm probably the smartest person in my family I'm not going to take out of my siblings. My parents have no problem saying that they didn't know how to communicate with me and help teach me with those things because I knew more of it than them. So they never pushed on it either, and that's the one thing I push on my children. It's just that educational side now, because that my parents didn't, and I feel like that's one thing that may push me better, I guess besides the independent.

Speaker 1: 21:52

Thing.

Speaker 2: 21:56

You know, the hardest thing that I've had to learn since I've had kids is how to balance being the dad that my kids need with the person that I am, because it's not the same person, it's not how I grew up.

Speaker 2: 22:14

Right Circumstances, parenting you know where I lived all had me very isolated and doing growing up by myself, mainly being very self sufficient, honestly, from the age of 10 or 11 on. And I'm somebody who strongly needs private time, quiet time, not talking to people time. And that is different, colt, because you need to be engaged with your kids, you need to be there, you need to ask them how their day was, you need to play games and you need to do whatever, teach them how to do stuff, be a dad and like they don't get that, my battery runs out quickly and I just I need some alone time, I just need to decompress. So that's definitely been the hardest thing is how do I balance those two where I'm not getting mentally crazy because there's just too much going on but I'm not isolating and ignoring my kids like? It's been a challenge. It's always going to be a challenge, I think.

Speaker 3: 23:25

And the other thing is is like and you know, it's not that both parents aren't. I come from the idea of like both parents are invaluable. Right, don't don't get it twisted Both parents are supremely invaluable. However, as the dad, you, the buck stops there Like that's just. I mean, that's, that's your typical home, your typical house. The buck stops with dad, because everybody's in their entire life has always heard you want me to call your dad, you know, get your dad, like everybody knows that when it's if they're the push comes to shove, dad's going to make it right.

Speaker 3: 24:05

And if, if, like you said, the dad that you know that you need to be and the person that you know that you are are two separate people and you need to like, that's the balancing act. I think that, like when it comes down to like, the idea of what we've been talking about for this podcast and this episode is, those are the two people. For those of you that are dads, for those of you that are moms, there are two separate people. There is you, you know the per individual, and then there's you, the mother or the father, and you are pulling from both pictures all the time and you know the you that goes to work and then, you know, is tired, I mean, and then I have.

Speaker 1: 24:54

You is really.

Speaker 3: 24:56

Yeah, and then now you are now being taken out by the other side, that is, you as dad or mom, and the ones that succeed, or you know, whatever you know definition of success that you want to state as a family, or as a husband or as a wife, or as a mom or dad, or you know. I think that when that push comes to shove is you win, when you know that your kids are safe. Your kids are always going to have problems, it's just your kids, and that my mom said this to me when I was going through my divorce with my ex wife. She goes, and my real name is Nick. She goes.

Speaker 3: 25:40

Nick, you never stop being my kid. You just grew up and you still have problems. Yeah, you had problems when you were a kid and you have problems now, but you'll never stop being my child. And I was like you know, like you know, god, I love you, I love you. And it's like that that moment right there kind of set a pace inside my head for our daughters in your kids never stop being your kids. They just grow up and have adult problems.

Speaker 1: 26:22

My brother my brother's problems. You know, brother is two years younger than me. My mom looks at us and she does two different people completely.

Speaker 3: 26:34

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:34

I'm married.

Speaker 1: 26:36

I've got five children, cars, like you know, the house, like happy in life. Yeah, my brother is two years younger than me, not married, no children, still skateboards family every other weekend, just does the bed to get through his life and he's happy doing it. Yeah, but he relies more on mom. I need help with this. So I'm gonna need help with that. And, yeah, mom said I'm just kind of getting to that point that I can't do that anymore, as much as I want to. Yeah, what do I do? She's called me for advice now.

Speaker 3: 27:09

What the hell would you?

Speaker 1: 27:09

do, if your kids are doing this now.

Speaker 3: 27:12

Yeah, there's. I mean so over here in the States. I think it's 25 years old, that you can carry a child on insurance.

Speaker 1: 27:19

Yeah, pretty much. We don't have health insurance for that, but at private extra stuff.

Speaker 3: 27:27

Yeah, same thing though.

Speaker 3: 27:28

Okay, so at 25, it's over, like it's done. And to me I would hope that you kind of have segue and I've told our daughters like listen, I don't care if you go to college. I've I've adamantly stated this to them several times I do not care if you go to college. If you want to go make money right out of the rip and go learn how to be a plumber or learn how to be an electrician or learn how to trade school, I will do that. But I have told my wife and my wife doesn't like that I say this, but the guys at the firehouse absolutely love this I'm not paying for a dime of your school and I'm not helping you at all until you are either a done with college or be. You have gone and learned a trade and then you are going to college. I said I know that that is a little outside the box and I know that when some people hear that they're like whoa, I'm like.

Speaker 3: 28:30

The world is not the same as we stated earlier, as it used to be. College is not the end. All be all by any means. Anymore is really in my opinion, and you know this is just one 40 year old guy in his basement. Talking with you, know, in a podcast. I'm just telling you that college is not the end all be all anymore. If anything, it is a real vain and difficult process to go through and a financial absolute colossal. Just difficult.

Speaker 1: 29:06

It's just difficult financially Sometimes a worker, earn policy with my children. So once a because ours is legally 18 year old go, go, do what you need to hear, but I'll help them and I'll support them. If they go into university, college, they want to be at home, then I, then I'm 100% OK to support and keep them for that education till they finish. Yes, like they still got a. I'm not paying for college here. We have hex stats instead. So you can, the government will pay for your educational fees. Then it gets put aside. You owe the government money, but you don't start paying him back until you've earned X amount. You've got to earn over a certain period and then it starts coming out. It starts coming out of your tax, basically, ok can you start bragging about how?

Speaker 3: 30:01

Sounds pretty sweet to be real yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:05

That they don't want to do that, that's fine. They can get a job, they can get a trade, apprenticeship, whatever they want, but that's it's one of those two options, is that's me. When they get older, once they hit that 18 mark, it is one of those two things you're earning or you're learning. If you're doing neither of it, do not expect anything from me, because I'm not helping that, I'm not encouraging that.

Speaker 3: 30:27

Yeah, and you know, if you're not doing that stuff, we're going to have a serious talk about health insurance. It's not that I don't want you to go without health insurance, but I need you to understand that the choices that you make, there are ramifications, there are blowbacks that can happen to you and you can get it this way. I'd be like sweetie if I was talking to my bag. Sweetie, at least you know you've got somebody, you know, at least you've got someone to lean on. There are people out there that have nobody, know nothing, and they are looking to just scrape every means that they have together to be able to get ahead. And that's, I think it's just. It just goes to say like life is not like what it used to be in the early 2000s and let alone, I mean life is not the same as it was five years ago. Since COVID, the entire whole system has kind of been flip flop, hey thanks for you know tuning into the podcast today.

Speaker 2: 31:24

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